Speaker 1 - 00:02 I want to welcome you formally to Pop Up Conversations. We talk to artists across the country about their musical journey and the projects they have in the moment. So it's our honor, Jace Carillo, to welcome you to Pop Up Conversations. I'm really excited to be talking to you today. Speaker 2 - 00:20 Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you for the invitation in this space to talk about anything practically. Like, I think that Christmas, it's coming, and I released a song. I'm going to Qatar for the World Cup. So there are many things that are happening and going on. It's been busy and. Well, I think when it's busy, it's always good. Speaker 1 - 00:50 Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And what I have absolutely loved about reading your story is that you arrived in Canada. So where I want to pick up your story is 2015. I read that you arrived here in 2015. But between 2015 and 2022, it feels like you have accomplished so much. So where I want to begin is, what's that drive for you to be able to accomplish so much in a country where for other people, they would say, oh, because I'm not from here, or because I don't know anybody, or because I, you know, there's so many excuses, but it feels like you have accomplished so much even in the country that you have just moved into recently. Speaker 2 - 01:36 Wow. And thank you for that. I arrived, as you said, in 2015. By the end of 2015, I didn't know any French, and I barely knew some words in English. I wasn't the best, you know, it was. I'm still learning for sure. It's not the language barrier. It's always something that we have to overcome, and we're learning every day. But I think. And I lived so many things in Venezuela, back in Venezuela that made me grow fast and adapt so fast to the changes that coming to Canada is like, if I. There's a chip that you activate and you say, like, okay, it's on. Like, it's on for changes. Boom. And since then, I arrived, I got here, and I've been so prepared to adapt myself to situations that I think that there's no time to say, to acknowledge that I'm low or up. Speaker 2 - 02:41 You know, I just. I keep going and going and going. Then it has happened as well. Like, you. You just. You take a look at what you've overcome, what you've made, and. And I'm. I'm really grateful for that. I'm. I'm really grateful. I just think that. That we just have to kind of not. We don't I know there are moments that we feel like we're stuck. There are moments that we feel that there are downs, but we just have to look the long term vision of what we're doing. I know there's still a lot of things to come and there's still a lot of battles to fight, you know, but I, I, I remain hopeful and I think that's been the secret, honestly. Speaker 1 - 03:32 Absolutely. That's, that's such a great answer. So I want to go back a little bit. I know we started from your arrival in Canada 2015, but I also read that you got into music through the choir, but you were also exposed to a ton of different music that has kind of shaped your sound even to now. So give me a snapshot of what it was like growing up in Venezuela and then finding music. How was your childhood trying to find music? Speaker 2 - 04:06 Yeah, well, I started when I was a little kid. I don't remember, but I got some pictures and videos here and there. I used to go to these parties, you know, four years old parties where were running from side to side, you know, and I used to go take the mic from the host and start like singing these songs, these kids songs and dancing and all. Like people were like, what is going on? Like, where is he coming from? What is. And my parents were like this, you know, like nobody, like in my family, there was no one that were doing music at the moment. Like, it's not like, no, my dad was a musician, my uncle, my, you know, generations, nothing. I still feel like, yeah, it might come from my mom's side, you know, because I've been discovering along the way. Speaker 2 - 05:12 But it's not something that I grew up like, meant to be, you know, it was something that I discovered on my own. I got into music on my own. I started learning keyboard on my own. I just had this passion for it. And when I was growing up, I took some singing lessons. I was participating in contests in my city. I was really active, trying to always get better and better. And I joined this gospel choir, ish, kind of like project. And it's not, is not something that you see in Venezuela here and there. It's really like, I don't think it exists actually. Like it's a gospel choir. We know where it comes from. Like we know all the culture around it. But bringing it to Latin America, that's definitely something that we don't see every day. Speaker 2 - 06:11 And I was part of that and just studying, watching videos of. There was a guy called Michael Phelps that used to sing a lot of gospel as well. And seeing the Tabernacle Choir and Brooklyn Choir, like there were so many choirs that I was seeing that I was just, I could cry for hours, you know, just watching these videos. And then I jumped to this kind of locate. So what happened after with gospel, it started here and there, then became blues, then became R and B. Then it's like I started seeing that evolution and I get to understand artists like Neo, like Usher and then Justin Timberlake. I got to the pop part right, the pop evolution. And back in my country, we are so used to talk about salsa, reggaeton and all these styles that are not necessarily R B influences. Speaker 2 - 07:14 And well, I just love that so much that I just wanted to sing that. I just wanted to do that. So being there was like, why are you doing these runs or atli's that way? I was always like. And they were, why? No, no, we don't do that here. No, no, no. Why are you trying? When I came here to Canada was totally the opposite. Was like, no, no. Bring me the, you know, bring me that Latin flavor. You know, I started mixing that. I started like saying, okay, I, I got from one pole to the other. Now it's the opposite. Speaker 1 - 07:53 Now it's opposite. Actually. Speaker 2 - 07:56 I need to embrace that is going through my blood, you know, because it's natural. Like, I don't, I'm not a dancer, but I, I, I got my moves, you know, I try. And I guess it's because there's a culture back there that bring us that energy to enjoy music so much. And that's how Jay started, like J. Just creating that fusion between. And there were so many artists that were doing it already, but like Luis Fonsi, someone that he had years and years already killing it in Latin America. And he was an inspiration for me. Other groups as Ray Juanes, Sin Bandera, these are groups from Latin America that were famous back there, but they weren't that global, let's say back in the days. Speaker 2 - 08:54 And well, I just, I got here and I just, I opened my mind to evolve, to somehow create music when I didn't know how to. I took some production lessons. That was my way to get in Canada and start Stay. I started with a visa, student visa to fine tune those skills as a producer. I used to make many songs for people and for girls, but I was not able to put it in. I was putting it in paper, but not into a DAW and system or a software, right, Yeah. And, and well, that's how Jay started. Just, just how you call it when you make mistakes and you learn through those mistakes. Right? Speaker 1 - 09:53 Yeah. Trial and error. Speaker 2 - 09:54 Yeah, exactly. Try trial and error. Speaker 1 - 09:56 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. No, go ahead. Speaker 2 - 10:03 You still, I went, I was gonna say I went to, I got the opportunity to go into the 2018. I went to United States, I went to New York and the first thing I did was going to the Harlem to Harlan and seeing a gospel choir. I connected so much with that. Me like that Jayce from Venezuela. You know, seeing it like life for me was just so impressive. I, I, I think that also made me kind of understand that the message that I want to give to the world, the legend, not the legend, the, you know, your, like your mark in this world and what you wanna leave forever, right? Yeah. Speaker 1 - 10:57 Your legacy. Speaker 2 - 10:58 Yeah, yeah, my legacy. The legacy that I want to leave is not necessarily Christian or anything like that, but I feel like this world needs more deep messages or somehow more love where getting sucked by an energy that is always talking about the same and it's that superficial kind of life. I think we need more true, like hopeful and inspiring energies here and there. Speaker 1 - 11:32 Gotcha. Got you. That's, that's a very important message. And we're going to come back to that philosophy that you have about more love. I think I, I just want to pick up on two things that you said as you were so being from Latin America and having those sounds that you just mentioned, so reggaeton, merengue, salsa, having those sounds associated with that part of the world. How have you been able to, to not be defined by them? To say, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dabble in pop, I'm gonna do other things, but I'm not gonna be this particular thing that you want me to be. How has that process been for you? Speaker 1 - 12:19 Trying to say, okay, I'm not going to be defined by where you think I come from, but I'm just going to embrace music as music and do what I want to express. Speaker 2 - 12:28 Yeah. I think this, the secret has been to listen to any style, any genre, like grab a little bit of everything. I, I'm someone that studied industrial engineering as well, and there's something I learned through that profession is how to absorb a little bit of everything. Being in the middle somehow. But not, it doesn't mean that you're in the middle. It just means that you kind of get a, let's say like a kind of a general perspective, and that helps a lot to adapt and to kind of create that kind of mix. Right. I've always tried to get a little bit of here, a little bit of there and create that formula that can be you, that can be more like as you want to be. I think there are many influences in this world, but finding my own voice, yeah, for sure. Speaker 2 - 13:39 It took time and I'm still. I think we are still evolving. Maybe next year I'll get into new things that will define a new me. But for sure. I just felt that it was genuine for me. My years and my feelings in my heart, my mind. I felt that those things that I was grabbing were making me happy, you know, and we need to stick to what we think it's right for us. There's people that are. That they get influenced by the market or by what others say they have to do, and they forget about that. It's such an important aspect. We as artists, we need to bring that different color if we want to exist and if we want to get somehow. If you want to transcend. Right. Speaker 2 - 14:41 I think that we all need to find that thing that makes us happy with what we do. And I know that. That maybe I'm not majored yet, but I really think that if there's something that it's defining me and making me feel that things are right, it's because I'm doing what I want, you know? Speaker 1 - 15:05 Okay. I'm loving this conversation, man. So you said you're not major yet, but that's not quite true because I also read that you just won like a really big award. So do you want to tell us about that award? I understand it can be compared to what the Juno's is here in Canada, but tell us about that award and the process and what song did you win that award for? Speaker 2 - 15:29 Wow. Yeah. That was interesting. Those awards, those are like the Junos in Canada, but in Venezuela it's called Pepsi Music Awards. Okay. And they're pretty big in my country in Venezuela. I was super surprised about the fact that I was nominated already, you know, and even if it was in a category that I was like, wow, I'm nominated here. It was Best Electronic Music Video. Gotcha. I was like, wow. But I don't do electronic music per se, you know, but okay. And it was with a song called the Rhythm of Life. Okay. Which was the video. We did it here in Montreal in the. There is a park called, as they would say in French, with the French accent. Okay. Speaker 2 - 16:26 And this place is where you see festivals as oceaga and festivals that are really remarkable in the city, you know, they are like one of the biggest in Quebec, actually. And so many good artists come every year. And it always gets like this full of people, Right? And precisely, you also have festivals that are electronic, and you see this EDM and these electronic influences. So it just somehow I understand now why it was best electronic music video made. But the song the Rhythm of Life was a song that. That had these fusions between Latin and tropical house. And, well, it just. It was so. So motivating, you know, because it was also my first English song, and it was the only one in English in the album, let's say. Speaker 1 - 17:26 Okay, okay. Speaker 2 - 17:28 I just said two words in different languages, which is. I said in one part of the lyrics, I say, no time to go back, my love, mi amor macheri. So a little touch, right? And the rest is in English for me was a challenge. I had to get used to it. And it's still a challenge, and I love it. I want to be able to sing in English properly. Properly. I don't know what properly means, but I just want to bring more English songs in the future and also represent Canada as a Canadian that I'm going to be. I want to represent Canada abroad as well. So for me, it was a beautiful challenge. And the fact that it was nominated in that I won, that was amazing. Speaker 1 - 18:22 Awesome. No, congratulations. I saw that. I read that, and I'm like, okay, big things are really happening for this guy. And I. I'm just like, I'm happy for you, and. And we are happy for you that it's happening. So I want you to take me into this single that you have. I know you said you just put out one today, but we're going to talk about that. But let's talk about your single desaporessus. If I. If I pronounce that correct. Speaker 2 - 18:54 Yeah, it means disappearing. Speaker 1 - 18:57 Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. So go ahead. Speaker 2 - 19:02 No, no, tell me, ask me. Speaker 1 - 19:06 No, there is a. There's just this beautiful bass that drives the chorus. I just. I just love it because I just. I'm hearing that it just drives the chorus so much. But. So I'm fascinated about the production. But tell me about that single, how you came about it, how it was written, and the people you collaborated with are producing it. Speaker 2 - 19:29 One of the singers that I like the most, it's Charlie Put. I. I love what he does. I. I think that this song kind of like. Like brings you to. To these songs that he was Doing or he used to do like that funky vibe, but like. Speaker 1 - 19:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 - 19:50 I even created like a playlist of music that inspired me to. To do the Zaparesis. You know, I included that single Attention, you know, like it's that bass there super present. I said, like, I have to do something like that. I love it so much. And the Sapares is just the first one of many singles that I'm gonna be releasing for the second album. And. And yeah, I just found a concept where, you know, the first album was super compilatory, was I was discovering what I wanted to do what. What I was doing in terms of production. I just. I just pull out everything I got, you know, at the moment. But this second album is called Phenomena. Speaker 2 - 20:41 And I had the time to think about what I wanted to talk about, what I wanted to bring as a new episode, as a new chapter in my life. And I just think that Phenomena we can see so many. We can see phenomenon as something scientific, right? But. But I think if there's something unknown in this world, it's not only space, it's. It's actually love. We were always told about things that. That you shouldn't do, that you should do that. These and that we always listen to experiences, but we never know until we experience ourselves what is happening. And love is a curve as much as an orbit or as much as you travel and you go like this to other planet. Love for me is like discovering planets, discovering all the cosmos at the same time. Because it's so known that. That. Speaker 2 - 21:48 But we need it, we need to understand it. And, And I don't know, I just felt that I wanted to bring that sci fiction in my stories of love. And I connected space and love in the same vibe. And. And this apparently came out that's talking about that girl or about that love that you only see when you're sleeping, when you're dreaming, when you are not in the routine. Because once you get in the routine you find out that perfection doesn't exist. And this second single that came out talks about how much you appreciate the relationship where you are because that person has the keys of your spaceship. Something like it might sound cheesy, but it. I think I found a way to tell these stories without. Without just coming to a. You know, it's only cheesy if you don't mean it. And. But. Speaker 2 - 22:54 Yeah, but. But for sure the Zaparesis brings that energy as well. I think it was a perfect start of D second captor of my life. And. And it's just opening that door so more can come. Speaker 1 - 23:12 It's. It's such a. So I've gone through your page and I see that every now and again. You. I think it's a guy you work with, your producer or something that you guys collaborate on, but I listen to Desa Paresis on my headphone and the mixing and mastering of that song is so perfect. Speaker 2 - 23:37 Thank you, man. Thank you. Speaker 1 - 23:39 It's. It's crazy how good the. The mastering of that song is. So again, I want you to tell me about. Because it feels like you're very intentional with the, with, with the production aspect of your songs as well. So just tell me how you guys, you know, worked on the music part. Now we've talked about the lyrics and what it means and all of that, but just the music part. How did that process go? Speaker 2 - 24:05 Yeah, and this is the thing, right? I'm an independent artist and I got, for the first time. And this made me so proud as well. I got this support as well from Factor, which is an organization. Speaker 1 - 24:24 Yeah, yeah, I know Factor. Speaker 2 - 24:26 Yeah, yeah. And that made me somehow applying also my engineering skills, I got to this project management part of me where I decided to organize and elaborate this concept as much as structure as I can. Right. And that planning part, people don't see it maybe, but it takes willingness and it takes a lot of effort. And I said, you know what, if there's something I can do is bring quality in my songs. And I decided to reach out and collaborate. I collaborated with this person in the past. It's called Jacob Cardinal. He's a mixing engineer from Montreal. He has collaborated with many artists. He. He won a Juno from. With Half Moon Rum and Half Moon Run, which is an extraordinary band from. From Montreal. And. And he's. He. He makes my first album. And I said, let's do something. Speaker 2 - 25:40 Let's bring this to a higher level. And he introduced me to Luca Liberatore, which is an amazing producer from Montreal. Luca the producer. And we started collaborating, we started putting out some ideas, and just the flow happened just right away. And then I contacted an excellent master engineer called Felipe Tshawer. I don't know how I did that, honestly, but I'm so happy that it happened. I just started sending DMs and started contacting him like, hey, listen to this. What can we do? Like, can we work together? Like, he. He has won Grammys. He has won Latin Grammys as well. He's someone that was so experienced. And the fact that we could collaborate, for meant a lot again as an independent artist. Right. Speaker 1 - 26:47 Yeah, for sure. Speaker 2 - 26:49 And quality over quantity, for me, it's. It's essential. I think that instead of just releasing one song every day or every week or every month with no purpose, I decided to take my time. I didn't pull out any song from, I think from December last year until this moment. And it was because I was already cooking when I finished my first album. I was already planning everything and. But that time that took me to do something, it was time that I know I was doing something. Yeah. So, yeah, that quality of work is there. I've been learning a lot. I think when you are working with people that are so great, that are so. So extraordinary in what they do, for sure you're going to learn something from that. And I'm glad. I'm really glad to have that as part of the. Speaker 2 - 27:49 Of this project. Speaker 1 - 27:52 So it's. So Congratulations. First of all, I think it's a great single. I. I can't wait to hear what the album brings. I also was on your Instagram page and I see that you made like a jean jacket for Phenomena. And I was just. Speaker 2 - 28:11 Today I got this one. It's, you know, spacey. Ish. That's. It gives a spacey vibes. Speaker 1 - 28:18 Yeah, yeah. And. And just. Just the branding assets that you've been working on to promote this album also gives that kind of, you know, outer space or being in a. In a. In another world kind of vibe. And I. I just. I just love it completely. So congratulations on the single, bro. And when is the album itself dropping? Speaker 2 - 28:42 Well, so album for sure, in 2023. Okay. I just think that I. As I'm. This is like. Like when you're watching Netflix or. Or series and. And you. And you're going episode by episode. Right. So the first episode was the Zaparesis, the. The visualizer that we created, which it was made with another very Venezuelan Canadian guy, his name is. And there was such a great team around the project. We recorded in. In Ted for mines in Quebec. And. Speaker 1 - 29:18 Yeah. Speaker 2 - 29:19 And that gave somehow, like this moon aspect kind of, you know, and I really think that it's gonna bring something great to the eyes. And. And we created this concept where there's travel that happens and where I'm landing in this place. But anyways, I don't want to say much. I just want people to see it little by little. But the first episode was you see me with a helmet and you see these lights. Happening. It's super simple. But this is giving you that first opening of what the album means and what the album is bringing. Definitely in Taking off, which was just released right now, I'm just putting a little teaser of the other things that are happening and I just think that with the little VFX we are adding here and there, it's gonna definitely bring. Visually talking, it's gonna bring. Speaker 2 - 30:23 Gonna add value to the project as well. But yeah, I just think that as a Netflix series, you see one episode, you go to the next one and sometimes you have to wait a little bit until the next one comes out. But I really want people to get in symphony with everything that is happening. A lot of Latin vibes as well are coming. These songs were more like pop, R B pop, lo fi a little bit. But. But the next ones are definitely bringing again that Latin. Those Latin rhythms that I, I love so much. Even some Afro vibes, Afro pop. I. I really look forward to show it. I can't wait. Honestly, I'm like, yeah, I hear it in my car all the time and I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait. Speaker 1 - 31:15 Oh my God, I. I can't wait to. So you mentioned. So by any chance, are you creating like a physical copy of this record or. It's all going to be digital? Because with the amount of storytelling that you put in this, I would think that you might. Are you doing like a little run of a vinyl or. Because it's. There's so much storytelling in this and. Speaker 2 - 31:36 You know, I haven't promoted. Promoted or like I haven't released yet merch strategy or something around merch or vinyls or you know, this kind of physical items. And yeah, I. It's something that I am planning out. Like for sure there's gonna be. There's gonna be something else in the future that little by little gonna connect with more and more people. But for sure, things that I have in my mind, I just can't wait to also finding and joining with people that want to be part of this project as well, to take it even to a higher and higher level. So I, of course it's in the plan. We are going little by little, but I'm really looking forward to get there and as I said, a little bit of everything. Speaker 2 - 32:35 No, but I want to, I look forward to be present on those aspects as well. Speaker 1 - 32:41 Oh my God. I just, I think it's going to be fantastic if eventually you guys decide to do that. It'd be great. I think people are. Some artists, you know, I've spoken to in the recent. In the recent past. People are returning to that ability to. To. To be able to tell stories across physical copies. Right. And it's amazing what they do, so it'd be great. But. But, Jace, I. You just have a lovely personality, man. It's. I, It's. It comes through now. I can understand what I was hearing in the song. And you did. You did a little bit of singing earlier. So, you know, sometimes when you. When you hear. When you hear a song, it's so produced that you're actually wondering, can this guy actually sing? But I heard you just now, man. You can really sing, man. Speaker 1 - 33:35 So I think you're just brilliant, bro. Speaker 2 - 33:40 And thank you. Thank you so much. Gracias. I really appreciate it. And it's because I really. I like. And I know that there are singers out there that they have so much to bring to this world as well and to get known by what they do. Right. And I just feel that nowadays we're being so foolish by superficial content that, you know, sometimes it happens and I. I feel that we need more authentic voices out there. I think there are so many great singers and personalities that have so much talent. And I feel like right now in the industry, we're lacking a little bit of the authentic things, the real things, the live things that we see and we say, like, yeah, that person knows how to sing. That person knows how to do this or the other thing, you know? Speaker 1 - 34:44 Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 - 34:45 I think we're getting foolish a little bit in this industry nowadays. I understand that there are other things that are happening. Content, social networks, so many things that are happening that are. That are creating more and more information, and that's important. I'm working on that. I'm still. Still growing up. I'm still trying to understand, Trying to show my true face while. While I do it because I don't want to get in trends that are not meant to fulfill anyone's expectations in the end, you know? Yeah. I want to bring a purpose. I want to do the things right. Speaker 1 - 35:24 I hear you. I hear you. I hear you, man. I. So your story goes as soon so wide and so interesting and so fascinating. In this format that we have right now, there's not enough time. I know that you. You were on the Voice, Lavoir Quebec, Am I correct? Yeah. So there's. Yeah. So there's so much I want touch on that this time doesn't allow. But from what I can Sense. So far, this is my takeaway. I think that you are. And also, I also read that Desiparestis was written after you attended that course by Ryan Tedder as well. So there's so much. Right. There's so much to talk about. So tell me about that experience, about attending that course and how it has shaped how you write music. Speaker 2 - 36:15 Yeah. Well, for Lavoie, I wanted to say that it took me out of my comfort song 100%. Like, I, I, I, I didn't, like, I was barely starting with French, you know, so I going to a show where everything was in French and that I might have, like, I, I was to be ready, I had to be ready to sing in French as well, you know, like, everything was just like, oh, my God, where did I get? You know, like, where am I right now? I, I never thought of being there, you know, but it just happened. I said like, I, I was already here as I told you. I was just ready for it in my mind and my heart. I was like, just break those barriers and keep advancing. You are. You're already far from home. And I got into the auditions. Speaker 2 - 37:15 I passed. I got to the auditions again. I passed. Then it's like from 4,000 people, I got to the last 80 or 100 people and went to the television experience, which, oh, my God, I was still trying to understand what they were saying to me, but it was totally worth it. I love the experience. Even if I didn't qualify and advance in the competition, I feel that maybe was because I was not fully fluent in French, but I love the experience, the treatment from people and, you know, even backstage you meet so many people that are interested. The same type as, you know, absolutely everything. Everything happened for a reason that took me to perform during summer festivals here in Montreal and connect with other producers, create songs. And like, it was all meant for growth. And, and I took that. Speaker 2 - 38:29 I, I feel that I represent, presented well what I wanted, and I got the visibility that I needed to start off, to take off, just like the new song taking off and. Yeah, and then for sure. I always like to get involved in courses and things that are gonna teach me something else. I wanted to. My big dream is to write with Ryan Taylor one day. One day for sure. I, I just saw the course. I was like, yes, let's do this. I, I really want to see how is the process coming from such an experience. Speaker 1 - 39:10 Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 - 39:11 Writer and singer One Republic is just insane. Yeah, of course. I saw him live. I saw him performing here in Montreal. And it was a dream come true. Like, the guy can sing notes that go, you know, a big range that he has. Speaker 1 - 39:30 Yeah, for sure. Speaker 2 - 39:32 And, well, doing the chorus, I felt so inspired. I, I started with these lyrics and melodies. The Zaparesis came out of that and it didn't take me that long. It was just something. I don't know. Sometimes you a, As a writer you are. Some days are just so easy to make songs and some others are totally difficult. It happens. You don't have to feel too frustrated about it because it all depends on the mood. It all depends on so many things. And for that song just happened like that, I got another song that I took like one year to make it. You know, it just, it happens like that. And I'm glad that the Zaparesis came out this way. Speaker 2 - 40:20 I think with Luca, with Jacob, we came to a point where I felt that it was the right decision in terms of production to do. And yeah, that was insane, for sure. As we say in Spanish, it was brutal. Brutal. We say that like to say, like, it's just awesome. Speaker 1 - 40:44 Gotcha, gotcha. Chase. Wow. So much energy. I, I, I love your vibe. Of course, I do love the music. I can't, I can't wait for a phenomena to drop. I'm gonna be looking out for that. But with this single that you have released so far, like, I, I can understand the quality of what to expect when the full album drops, so I, I'm going to be looking out for it, but I'm a fan of this particular single. It, it's again, that, that bass and the, in the chorus, it just gives so much funk and groove to the song that even if you might think you're listening to a pop song, but in there is so rich and the texture is so rich. And I think you guys pop hold it off really well. So congratulations on that single. Speaker 1 - 41:35 Congratulations on all the things that you're working towards, especially with the storytelling of this particular album, all the space elements that you guys are trying to incorporate and trying to make this look like a cohesive, like you've said, like a series. Right? So giving people, you know, a slight slice of this stuff one piece at a time, I think it's just fantastic strategy. So congratulations, sir. Speaker 2 - 42:03 Oh, thank you so much, Eve. And, and of course, it wouldn't be possible without a great team as well. I, I hope I can still find the, the right people in this industry that can take this project elsewhere and. And create even a massive and bigger experience for everybody. I, I can't wait, for example, to. To perform and do a. Touring. Like touring. For me, it's. It's something that I know I'm going to enjoy a lot just because I, I know that I can sing and I can. I can bring some value when. When I'm performing life as well. So I, I've been a lot, like, I've been a lot of time in the studio and now I, I can't wait to show it live, you know, but that's gonna come for sure. And I'm. I just. I'm really hopeful for. Is coming. Speaker 2 - 43:09 I know that we're gonna connect really well with whoever doesn't know who Jay is right now. So I just look forward for the future. Speaker 1 - 43:20 I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with you today, so thank you so much for giving us your time. Speaker 2 - 43:27 Oh, my God, Effe, thank you so much, you too, for taking your time and to talk about this, you know, and to ask me the right questions to give me this space to. To really show what I'm doing. And I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate Carrie and Bat Parade for putting us in contact. I just feel that we're building something really great and that just things are just lifting up and I really, really appreciate it. 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